Pve or mis out , spoken like a pver , play my way. Why not remove all crafting drops from there pve, so they have to PvP to craft. See how dumb that sounds. Pvp to craft deal with it .

I'm with you. On most of it. They still have a chance before this game joins war rift aion and all the rest that think a clone of wow will work. If all the failed mmos over the last 4-7 years show any thing its that a MMO hast to have both good PvP and pve . PvP large fights 100 vs 100 with faction owned baces like DAoC has that run smooth. Pve with hard , omg hard , and your flipping kidding hard for the raid nuts. Mix DAoC with SWTOR with some very very hard raids and gg. If they can get it to run smooth.

With a comment like that I don't know if your trolling, or never played a true PvP game, or you think wow, rift, SWTOR has a PvP game in it. At any rate you might think about making your self one as your nits if you think this is pvp.

This, SWTOR or any other game like it has no pvp. It has a slap in the face. If you think this is PvP you have not played a true PvP game. UO, DAoC, Shadowbane=even full of bugs was a better PvP game. Wz are not pvp.

Well iv bin playing MMO since 97, I have a very good idea what it takes. Pve is ok for a fresh new game. Its more then most get at the start. PvP is complete fail. War, rift, AoC (balance) , many more and soon to be SWTOR. All failed. Ask your self what SWTOR can do to stop from joining that list. As if they don't do something they will be on it. Say no all you like, so did the war, rift, AoC , and all the others. It didn't help them as the games died any way but your welcome to say we k.ow nothing. Good luck with that.

July would be good , hell knowing they where working on something even remotely like tgis would be. Bring back subs , I think it might. With a solid.PvP system I think my guild would come back.

Most if not all of this would need to be a xpac, no getting around it. They need something , we all know they do. Cost of the xpac vs the cost of subs we all see dropping . It's worth this xpec to me any ways. In the end we need something like this , its up to BW to listen and us to speak up. Pve and PvP as most do both at least to some degree. Keep it up and this alive , they just might see it.

What? Lol wow was trash at launch. SWTOR is dieing , wow has nothing to do with it. SWTOR is ding because BW/EA has no clue it seams. ToA in DAoC mythic War EA/Mythic UO EA The list of games EA has jacked up is longer but I think you get the point. SWTOR has from a pvpers poi.t of view a grate pve system. But the PvP is a joke . EA could of added a DAoC PvP system that players would of loved , we got Illum , just sad. 2 faction system after what they seen in war. They knew the war team was bad but used them any ways. You would have to be brain dead as a developer, producer to not see that war died because of the dev team. My question is why would Ea use a dev team that added ToA to DAoC the xpac that killed that game. move them to war and let them kill it before it even got off of the ground, then have that same team do pv in SWTOR? SWTOR is as doomed as war was. Has all along. We just won't it not to be. I did any ways.but pve as cool as it is....not all a game needs to be. We need PvP not some war zone. DAoC style PvP with a balanced faction system ie 3 factions. We need a pve system for the pver. Pve player most of them any ways, PvP at least some. And PvP players most of them pve at least some. You can not leave one or the other and be a top hit MMO. It takes both.

Very true, but even if the 3 rd faction turned out to be the big bad monster , imps and pug could temp team to take them down when needed. But every one is right BW will not do this and PvP will be a joke a year from now. That should not stop us from trying as I'd like to see this game be more then just a pve game. As for server loads and the game handling it. Ya its bad, but in Illum 50pubs and over 75imps I can run fine other then the first jump from load lag. I run gfx at low no shadows and tags off. Seams to work good that way for bigger fights I'm just sick of Illum and its got to the point in random open world I can run around looking and not see any one for hours on even the low level planets. And my server is one of the higher pops left , Valker highway .

I'm with you on the star wars ip , but how do you balance imps vs pubs . The easy way is a 3rd faction. It's just a idea ,one I do not think BW will even look at short term. I'd just like to know they have plans like this even sort of for PvP. Not just more of the same wz PvP as I'm sick of them. The pve in this game is by far the best iv played. but its not all my main gaming focus.

BW sold this game as having a top notch PvP game . I'm still looking for it lol I just don't see the risk. I know they lost the 50subs of my guild. I'm all that's left over the lack of pvp. Are ally guild has 5 members left. The sever loads are light I'm times they had full . The risk I see is more of the same.

New planets , and one PvP raid dungeon ? How many do you have for pve?

Lmao DAoC is around , I have a sub for it and still play. Well let's see is it just me saying this or are the forums full of PvP sucks . Have they lost a massive amount if subs? Is that not in its self a statement lets list a few games that have not did PvP right , and just did the wow clone wz and PvP. Rift Eq2 Aoen or what ever it was called War tryed to do a good job with PvP but failed. There are more and more still that tryed to do just PvP. In years past this worked. It no longer will. Games make it or brake it in the first few months. I like this game as a pve game but I need more to hold me and do do the masses. You are no different then the fan boys with the listed games that might as well never came out. Blind.

You know I use DAoC as a bace for PvP systems. I use there system in my other post as its the best there is. As is we have a joke of for PvP. Wz are ok the first 1000 times but get old fast. DAoC PvP never did . I'm not asking pve players to PvP just that BW give the pvpers something as nothing would be better then what we have. What gets me ic why even pver players would not won't a better PvP game as pvpers pve to , giving the game a bigger player bace. Bringing in more subs , more pve for them and more PvP for me. More players to play with to.

Are you joking with the some what lacking? There is no PvP system other then wz as Illum is not inany way a PvP system its trash. I do know a good PvP system when I see it. DAoC is by far the best ever done. DAoC had trash pve, but the best PvP. How could you say adding the pve of SWTOR and PvP of DAoC into one ne a bad idea. Each to there own, I found wow PvP to be every bit the joke that war rift and all the other clones. SWTOR atm has no PvP system worth a ****.. Time is something they do not have . Look at server loads and tell me how they have it right