So much arrogance in this post. None of it matches with my experience going from fresh 50 pyro to bm pyro. Not sure why you called your quoted poster out, he made a valid point which I also agree with. I also have seen 0 evidence for any of your points. Sounds like your upset at pyro spec. Chill bro.

I lol'd. Clearly you're not a troll and are enamored with yourself. This and the previous post of yours are pure babble. Your class balance lecture is completely off base and was already crushed above, which you chose to ignore. Your PTS suggestion is really so poor I'm not really sure how you feel it's relevant(level 20? I had a moment of silence before loling). And then a lecture on heat mechanics which really has nothing to do with the topic at hand. All while maintaining an arrogant paternal tone. Bravo! Plenty of people in this thread understand this game at a much higher level than yourself, and the tone of your posts just causes spontaneous outbursts of lol at it's levels of faill. If you have nice paragraphs and decent grammatical command, try not to confuse that with a logical argument. I bet your posts sound awesome to you when you read them, but the logic is so terrible. Hard science major > English major? lol.... But yeah, I unsubbed due to this. Not so much because of the change, but BW communication is so poor and the topics they choose to respond to first (priorities are whacked out) makes me not want to see what the future holds. Hope they turn it around, I enjoy this game.

I think they wanted me to unsub, so I did. The complete lack of communication on this issue, not the changes themselves, are what caused it. At least drop in an drop one ******* post that says "Yeah we nerfed you." Anything. After seeing what they've done to operatives, I'm not sticking around while they do it yet again. Still have 3 months left on sub, hopefully they convince me to stay.

You are trolling right? I've never fought a IF, tank spec, or AP spec that I didn't roll over in pvp. Period. I laugh when they come near me and get melted. I'm really curious if you're trolling. There is no chance for you 1v1 vs a 1.1.5 pyro. No idea what next update will do, but IF isn't even designed to go toe to toe with a pure burst dps like pyro powertech so....yeah. L2P and understand your spec. I've played all the specs, fyi, and I know I couldn't kill my pyro on an IF spec with the same gear so...lol.

Said much better than me. Perfect summary of IF build, although I am somewhat hesitant to dismiss the usefulness of the tank tree talents completetly. They come into play and mitigate damage quite a bit more than Taugrim makes them out to. And I do want to add that I'm not bashing Taugrim, I just find this particular build, while creative/logical, to fall short in practice.

Add me to the unsub list. Bioware sees no reason to even communicate about this change and explain it. Just making my tiny voice heard here on the forums. BW try dropping a single post in these threads, just one short one that acknowledges you're listening. Might make you some money.

I'm not sure how this debate continues. IF build was primarily formed from taugrim wanting to post more builds on his website. It's interesting in theory. I tried it. In practice it fails. I hear the word 'utility' tossed around a lot. Utility implies, I suppose, you bring something besides the tangible damage or heals. That your extra abilities offset pure dps/tanking/healing etc. What does ironfist bring to the table that a pure tank/dps ptech doesn't bring in superior way? I hear crickets chirping. Their dps output is exactly like a tanks. You still hit like a wet noodle. You can take more damage than pyro, but so can a tank. You do less damage than a pyro, so does a tank. You have a charge, so does a tank. I'm failing to understand why this is good, when you do everthing worse than pure specs, and nothing better, and you bring nothing to the table. And really, don't even try to say that talenting quell offsets all the gains you get from just pure speccing. That's really just trying to rationalize the spec which is clearly inferior. If you wanna tank, tank. If you wanna dps, dps. IF is mediocre at both *at best*. I think it's the most fail spec I've ever seen debated as viable. Like I said, I thought it was interesting, and tried it after trying full tank spec. It brought me nothing. Full tank spec is vastly superior. And pyro....so much better. If you have a premade with a healer and want to guard him, then your primary object is to....guard him. What does IF offer you to enhance this? Theoretically it gives you more "utility" and dps...in practice...lol. Really, this thread exists b/c of a fairly competent website author trying to make more content. I find it amusing.

It would be arrogant except for the fact that your story represents a extraordinarily small percentage of the gaming population on my server, and most likely at large. It's a problem on your end. You're failing. That has nothing to do with arrogance. Everything I said is factual, and aside from the few people in this thread who seem unable to play the game with an acceptable level of credits, most casuals have no problem funding their gaming from 1-50 and ops/hm fp. You do. I don't find it arrogant to conclude that you are dying too much and need to play better. As far as being ignorant, that's just hyperbole. Ignorance doesn't apply to anything I've said, I'm rather knowledgeable. You *seem* ignorant as to how to play the game. Look into following my suggestions. As far as "where I'm getting my ideas", you're implying I'm an elitist hardcore who is able to play all the time and am super serious about the game, or I'm somehow more fortunate and super rich. I'm not. I do play more than the average casual, but on alts, which I do not take seriously, I have never had to do anything but play the game to fund repairs, crafting, gear upgrades, etc. I get my information from personal experience and the experience of the players I come into contact with. I have never heard of a player being broke unless they know why, i.e. they blew their creds on a vanity upgrade, or bought too much stuff too fast, etc. It's a reason that they understand. It has nothing to do with game mechanics. It's otherwise known as a mistake. That leads me to conclude you're making mistakes. I find this neither arrogant nor ignorant. You on the other hand seem to want to blame game design when it's your play that is the cause of your problems. Instead of lashing out at me with cries of arrogance, or ignorance, both of which are laughable, I suggest paying a bit more attention to playing the game. Or, if you want to just have fun and not use your intellect at all, expect to run into roadblocks. The problem in this case is not the mechanics, it's you.

You can pay your repair bills from ops. Unless you wipe so many times it's unbelievable....One ops drop sold at undercut prices should pay for multiple ops runners repairs. If not, I suggest...not dying so much. I'm in full rakata and my repair bills for hm/nm ops has only once exceeded 50k, and that was the first time we ran ev NiM. I would say the average is around 15k per ops..give or take, I don't really pay attention. If all you do is die, then no, you will not make enough credits to support yourself....I see no problem with this?

You refer to yourself repeatedly as a casual player. You should expect to have less currency and gear. That goes without saying. It's equally redundant to remind you that, since you are casual, your progression will be slower than hardcore gamers.... So why is the sky falling? Not to mention the fact that on alts which I don't even attempt to credit hoard, I have banked 500k in the 30's leveling slowly....I believe you simply are failing in a major way with the basic mechanics of this game. No offense. Your doomgloom posts are full of huge flaws in basic logic and it sounds like you have a monstrous sense of entitlement which causes you to dump logic out the window. Do attempt to examine what people are saying, learn to adjust your play, and remember - You are casual. You are playing for short periods for fun. So enjoy the story, and expect to aquire things at a much slower pace than the hardcore BY DEFAULT. /gg

Wouldn't it be cool if you became more poor because your credits got devalued? Again, for someone like yourself who isn't good at making money(no offense), you should welcome credit sinks since your credit value will remain stable/appreciate as a result of the constant removal of the rich's credits out of the economy.

You can never have too many credit sinks. Do keep in mind that without credit sinks, players like myself who are seasoned with economic manipulations in mmo's will take all your money, and your credits from questing will be devalued. Too many credit sinks is a good thing, because usually a reasonable amount = not enough, coming from my experience. I agree with this mentality from BW completely. If you are low on credits you should be happy about this, at least they are attainable goals, and they keep gtn prices at a level where a casual/time starved player can still buy items they want.

This. Pyro has NOTHING else to offer besides damage. The only other class which is similar is sniper...and I thought snipers needed a buff to dmg since they have 0 utility. Snipers, pyros, conceal ops SHOULD be doing the most damage. That's all they offer. If they cant burst well why bring them? Every other dps spec in tank trees or healing trees offers something besided just damage...except for sniper and ptech. Why nerf ptech damage? I don't get it.

Anything other than full pyro is crap in the current iteration of the game IMO. Played all the major builds. Pyro's burst trumps any utility/survivability. I don't have to survive when I can burst everything down. Besides, most times when you die in pvp it's due to being focused. Extra mitigation won't help you when the other team decides its your time to go. On pyro, I can take two of em with me. On IF or CP? None usually. I cough when another spec of ptech attempts to do anything to my pyro... Survivability is only good if you are a dedicated tank guarding a healer IMO. Otherwise 7/6/28 or some variation ftw.

Win. Some of the posts in this thread are ridiculous. I especially like the people predicting the sub numbers....uninformed opinions abound, everyones a damn expert. Is everyone here young? Videogames in general are all about delays....show me a game that isn't delayed, I'll show you a pile of crap 9/10 times. Besides, only marquee titles ever get enough attention that you even know they're delayed. BW is being fairly candid and straightforward. They're making a lot of good changes. I'm cool with speculation about the patch, but class balance is something that has been off the radar, so there is hardly anything to go on. Being that that is the case, how the **** are people already qqing? LOL... Still, the rampant, ADD, MTV entitlement group has a loud voice. Christ....they need a ****** flame bw forum so I can actually get info on here.