I see. So there were hypersonic slugs being fired. How do you link that to the other source that states the blaster was faster? I mean, if not all slugs are equal we can't tell the speed of the one fired with the blaster...

To me, those "out of movie" calculations are completely ********. The effects of the blasters are just there to make the movie cooler, it doesn't mean it actually moves in that speed. The movie would be a lot less cooler if there was just the sound of the blaster and people getting shot. We shouldn't apply real life physics in any movie, as we all already know from 007 movies. Wolf, thanks, the first two quotes are enough to prove it, though they are from some "obscure" sources. I wonder why (and if) there isn't any other sources talking about it. All those guides of droids and weapons/equipments and no one talks about it?

Where can I find this information?

There is any canon source stating the speed of blaster fires? I mean canon, not some screentime calculation.

Girdeux, that's how they are. They ask for evidence, and even when you show some they just ignore it or distort it completely to fit they arguments. Girdeux presented evidence that novels can many times CHANGE what we see in the movies, or simply ADD significat information that CHANGES everything, like the one with luke and the lightning. The novels always tend to make luke and sidious all powerfull, as you guys do too. After this last page i just give up arguing with beni, wolf an aurbere, who think they are the ultimate star wars authority

You gotta be kidding me. He deflects? Luke didn't even knew about force lightning by that time and you think he deflected it? It's pretty clear in the scene the he was suffering all of palpatine's power. Oh, so it just didn't appear on the scene? he was always deflecting when the camera was pointed to sidious? That's it. Won't even bother to carry this on. Can't be killed, but it was easily done by crippled vader. Yes, again this argument, it is a good one and will ever be used when we compare movie sidious vs eu sidious. Eu sidious would simply fry vader with his ultimate lightning or just use the force to push or simply fly away. Sometimes it's subjective, sometimes it isn't. Luke reflecting lightning isn't subjective. He just didn't.. ANYTHING in the scene points to that. No one would ever imagine that if weren't for this stupid novel trying to change the movie. So, if a writer writes a new novel saying that yoda ghost appears on the second dead star and tell vader to throw sidious down on the pit it is true? no, because it wasn't on the movies. I don't need evidence to state this, it's not me saying is the gosh darn movie scenes. Stop swallowing everything they put on a novel, expecially if it's about events in the movies!! About yoda: was said that sidious stalemated windu. Actually he stalemated yoda, because yoda wasn't abble to win and gave up. Sidious would probably win and maybe kill yoda, but he didn't defeated yoda. Both of them was affected by the dorce explosion (if sidious won only yoda should fall, right?) and yoda was still alive and able to fight (not alive like anakin after kenobi fight). About windu: This is a harder one. The only 2 options was sidious lost or sidious lost on purpose. This isn't very clear in the movie, altough i believe he trully lost, and neither on novels. So it's a matter of personal opinion and then shouldn't be used as arguments in favor of sidious. I think instead of asking for evidence you should post the ones for your statements about his as well. Either way, windu wasn't stalemated. The fact is that windu won the fight, even if not by his merit (sidious faking the defeat)

I didn't see any arguments in this thread. Beni was the only one posting something intersting, and i agrre with you. They are the same (altouth i tend to think OR are slightly more combat focused), with some particular differences

They aren't adding more depth, they are changing what we saw in the movies. Do you really believes that luke redirects sidious lightning? Just answer this There was clearly a draw with yoda, both exploded with the force. windu disarmed and was ready to kill him. And he was the best of jis era, hence grandmaster, not of all times.

I have seen people say that the PT jedis (and siths) are more powerfull than the old republic ones. Why is that? I believe that the old republic force users were as good as pt ones with the major difference that there was a lot more of them and that they were constantly in battle.For this reasons i would say that the old republic jedis and sith were a lot more suited for combat than the PT golden era jedi and sith. Palpatine himself didn't used his lightsaber for decades, and the jedi were only fighting droids and non force users.Won't even consider the new jedi order, because i don't like the post ROTJ EU and because canon may change with episode VII. The most common arguments are: 1- the jedi and sith had more knowledge in pt than or. Wrong. In fact a lot of sith knowledge was lost during the battle of rusaan with all sith death and even more with lord gravid, that destroyed tomes, artifacts and holocrons. A lot of techniques was lost, like essence transfer. The jedi never looked for secrets for power like the sith, so this isn't a good argument for them. 2- the sith was more powerfull because they wouldn't kill each other. Well, acrually they did kill each other and a lot of times they didn't even fight a honorable fight like the rule of two was supposed to have. 3- the jedi had more time to meditate, train and improve lughtsaber techniques meditation and training doesn't make better warriors than real battle. The only technique developed was vaapad which is a version of form VII. And most important, the jedi didn't had all that time to prepare, they was still in constant conflict, but with droids and mercenaries instead of real threats, like siths. So, these are my thoughts, share yours...

You got a good point about the eu vs movie thing. Then, as I said: EU sidious vs Malgus: sidious wins Movie sidious vs malgus: malgus probably wins

Did you got all this terms from somewhere? So you are saying that sidious could use heal, but would "fall" yo the light side? I get it from the Jedi point of view but not Sith... And that's why some characters are unique, like revan jaden, etc...

We arent saying that they are stronger because there are more sith, but more EXPERIENCED and war forged ones. Novelizations are just wrong. We saw the movies and the novels frequently contradicts the movies. Luke didnt absorb or redirected lightning, yoda flew and windu won. No autor can change what we saw in the movies. Stop basing arguments based on false information from this novel jokes!

Is a jedi (or light side force user) able to cast dark side force powers? And is a dark side force user able to cast light side force powers?I believe that if a jedi uses dark side powers he may fall to the dark side. But if a sith is able to use light side powers, like heal, than sith are a lot more powerfull than jedis, because they could use both sides of force.In KOTOR we see that we can buy powers of both sides, but depending on your alignment, it is easier to cast powers of your nature and harder from the opposite nature. A lot of other games, like KOTOR II and Jedi Academy, shows force users using both sides.How would this work in "real" Star Wars world?

Well, i think the debate here is more about movie Sidious vs EU Sidious. While EU Sidious would probably defeat Malgus both in force powers and lightsaber combat, I think movie sidious would lose the fight. In the movies, sidious is still one of the more powerfull force users and stalemates yoda ( Aurbere, stop saying he defeted yoda, this didn’t happened, yoda flew because he knew he couldn’t defeat sidious and his stormtroopers). But as a lot of people already pointed, not only in this thread, the movie era isn’t full of sith lords and force users battles to compare and decide how good someone is. So, if we consider movie sidious against Malgus, I’d bet on Malgus, because he is a combat monster and is constantly fightning (and wining) real war prepared jedis. While sidious is sitting in his office doing politics. Is stated in novel that he didn’t even grabed his saber for decades. Sidious, even being the all powerfull still lost to windu. I know windu is one of the best dualist of the order, but I bet all of you would say that sidious>windu in a sidious vs windu thread before the movie came out. Aurbere, I don’t know why you say that he stalemated Windu, when we can see him losing his saber and the fight to windu in ROTS. And please, don’t come with novel arguments or Vaapad. Yes he used vaapad and won. It’s part of his lightsaber skills, that’s makes him better. This is obvious, a mma fighter just can’t stop training AND fightning, doesn’t matter how good his techniques are or he will become obsolete. This is valid for any field: sports, fights and even academics. As movies canon is superior to novel canon I would consider malgus victorious in this one. Another thing that I noted in this thread is that all sidious lawyers always resile on novels on their arguments. But many times novels are wrong. Someone posted that luke was defending and even redirecting sidious lightnings in ROTJ!! That’s ridiculous we all saw the movies and that doesn’t happen. The novel says that sidious bent windu lightsaber and would also kill him. Another ridiculous statement, we see in the movie that Windu would have killed sidious if weren’t Anakin saving his ***!!! So stop stating novels as facts. They aren’t. PS: Could someone link real evidence about sidious being a master of all seven lightsaber forms, please?

Hi, i already read darth plagueis, revan and darth bane first book. I'm going to finish darth bane trilogy and then wanted to read something about old republic and new jedi order. So, which are the best old republic book and new jedi order, i want some that shows luke in his prime and is focused on him for the new jedi order.