Just for the record... my tool tips say: Dirty Blast - 15 Energy. 1931-2346 weapon damage plus 1565 bleed damage. Charged Burst takes 20 energy and does 3785 - 4598 weapon damage. I guess the energy difference is the real win. Sure 1565 internal is gonna hit a bit more, but not that much.

I'm sure I am missing something, but the tool tips seem to imply that Charged burst does more damage than the new ability Dirty Blast. Folks on the forums here are saying that DB does more though. What am I missing?

I hope you are right and I am wrong!

I was annoyed at this change for a good 5 minutes. Then I moved some stuff around on my bars, re-keyed some stuff and its fine. Really not worth complaining about imo.... had to make changes to deal with the new heal ability anyhow.

I posted in the linked forum, but worth posting here as well.... I was wondering about this as well. My fear is that by increase crit chance 100%, they are just doubling your crit chance. In other words, if you have, say a 30% crit chance and then pop your Laze Target / smugglers luck whateveritscalled you now have a 60% crit chance on Cull / Wounding shots. That is an increase of 100%. The tooltip doesn't say makes it an autocrit, which it usually what is said for abilities that make crits happen 100% of the time.

I was wondering about this as well. My fear is that by increase crit chance 100%, they are just doubling your crit chance. In other words, if you have, say a 30% crit chance and then pop your Laze Target / smugglers luck whateveritscalled you now have a 60% crit chance on Cull / Wounding shots. That is an increase of 100%. The tooltip doesn't say makes it an autocrit, which it usually what is said for abilities that make crits happen 100% of the time.

Sweeping gunfire is the new Flyby. I can't believe how hard it hits... almost wonder if it is a bug. Outside of precasting for stuff, I don't see flyby getting any use (maybe for Sab spec, I don't know about that part at all since I run DF).

I will try out the other rotation, it is certainly different than what I have been using, but I am still confused as to how people are getting more attacks off than others. If we all use the same rotation, shouldn't we all have the same APM? Or is lag an issue? I've heard about setting the timer on the abilities ques to some such setting.... but I don't recall which or know if that is even part of the issue? Or are there some abilities you should be clipping?

Well, non of my parses have even 30 APM. How can you squeeze in 2 or 3 extra attacks in a minute (or 4 or 5 even)? Are there some abilities that should be clipped? Or pre-casted or something?

What are people doing to get 40 APM? Or is that just a fantasy or something? I know my DPS isn't that bad, I typically am at the high end in my raid group. I'm just trying to really take it to the next level (if there is one) and was wondering if there was some easy fix. I know there are people out there with parses that are so much higher than mine that it has to be something beyond just better gear. The APM thing seemed like it could be that thing....

I've been slinging for a while now. I've spent plenty of time on an Ops dummy and have played around with a few specs (hybrid and full DF). But I am really starting to wonder if I am just doing something wrong. http://www.torparse.com/a/650247 That is a link to an Ops dummy fight and probably the highest parse I have (its from 3 months ago). Pretty sure I was in hybrid spec. My DPS should be higher than it is. I don't think my rotation is off (please tell me if I am wrong). My only guess is that I have really low APM. I've heard folks saying you should be at like 40AMP. But I don't get how you can increase it? I'm hitting buttons before the GCD finishes, so how do you raise you APM given the rotation? Anyways, I'd appreciate any suggestions. BTW, gear wise I am in 180s or better (got a couple of NiM DF pieces), 100.5% accuracy, etc etc. so I really don't think its a gear thing.

I'm not worried that we are suddenly going to suck, but this is another DPS loss for us. With this change, what is a good DPS rating on the Ops dummy these days? I'm full DF and haven't been able to get over 3450 or so and that is gonna go down now since I had 1 of the double proccing relics. Might be that I am doing something wrong, but I don't know where others are at.... all the parses I see are from either pre-flyby nerf days or are from folks with both the double proc relics. Folks were hitting 3800s and stuff and I have never been close to that.

I'll add a bug to the list. Last night in the second fight in DP (Tyrans), we were missing a tile on my guilds weekly 16m HM run. As in before we even pulled the boss a tile was already missing. After every wipe, it was still missing. Add to that the other 'bugs'... having to drop down when you get simplification. And we had multiple people die from simplification even though they dropped down and got to the center pyramid clicky thingie in plenty of time. They clicked, and then died as soon as they got back up. Happened to me once and said in the chat window 'Simplification 0 damage.'

I got a good smile out of this.... stolen from the Agent forums.

Yea, this nerf was seriously harsh and I'm not happy about it. I totally agree that there were a number of other ways to fix what the supposed issue was (use of an AOE for single target rotation) such as just increasing the energy cost. But there are a number of things being stated here I don't agree with. 1- "It was all about PVP." I don't think so. Anybody who PVPed that just stood there and took a full 10k flyby hit was an idiot. Most folks in PVP run out of the area long before they take any damage. This issue I think was that devs saw people like me doing close to 10k DPS on some mobs by using flyby, sharp bomb and nades. It made what are supposed to be hard pulls, a total joke. It was fun though.... I'll admit that much. 2- "My DPS is now totally sucks." Maybe your DPS does suck now. Mine doesn't. Yes, it took a hit, but it hardly sucks, and it is 100% fine for any Op in the game.