They definitely did. Lana will sub to whatever the Outlander wants to do, but she'll always have a moment of "No, don't do that.." in her eyes. Even if the game says she 'approves' she always has a moment where she looks like she wants to stop you. But when it comes to Koth, if you kill him, he makes a point to tell Lana 'goodbye' and she looks very sad by it, regardless of what she said to him prior. It's clear they both had something, or the beginnings of something before she fell for the Outlander into full commitment. So Lana would very much be bi. Tora I'm not so sure about, I just know I want to romance her lol

And that is why she has only personal moments with the Agent. Again, her 'head game' comment people were using to say "Kaliyo has no interest in women" when that's a pretty big leap. You could argue she's bisexual but prefers men romantically as she sees romance with women as eventually always leading to head games. That doesn't mean she isn't bisexual, it would just mean she has her preferences. After Ona the only woman she I feel could ever by canon get with is the Imperial Agent, but even then it would be a very slow burn and would probably take more storytelling than the developers may want to do. At the same time it isn't impossible, nor is it out of the question. If the question is if Kaliyo is bisexual, the answer is yes. If the question is could Kaliyo be legitimately be romanced by any other female outside of potentially the Imperial Agent? The answer would be no. Part of the reason she hasn't tried to romance the Imperial Agent yet is because she knows she can't be manipulated by her, in a way, Kaliyo seems to really like that. Cause she is forced to have honest moments with her. If anything, Kaliyo bends to her will more than she would with anyone else. With anyone else Kaliyo would have just blown up the city, but she only wants to do it if the Agent wants to do it, because of the life she felt they stole from her and the agent, and how they ruined the "special" thing they had. Down to the point it's implied she seduced the man's own daughter to get those bombs planted around the city. So once more, if they decided to make Kaliyo romanceable in the future for the female Imperial Agent, after the long burn of all their adventures, it wouldn't be out of character or out of the question. Once more, she turns down the same thing from male or female if you aren't the agent, and she offers it to the agent instead of being asked. So once more, it's not out of the question that she is bisexual,in fact that's heavily implied, she likes to seduce both men and women, it's also not out of the question that while it may be the case, she prefers men romantically, and has her own reasons on why she doesn't pursue women as anything more than physical/manipulative ventures. All except the people she actually likes. But once more, she'd be a character whom would ONLY commit that far for your own Imperial Agent, if anyone else tried, the same thing would happen, she'd be into them romantically and with the thrill of the adventures, till she got bored and went elsewhere, though by the time KOTFE she seems to have matured some, but only a few chapters past that you see she hasn't change THAT much Again, always open to interpretation, and it's always good to have healthy back and forth about such things It means the characters have depth worth digging deeper into ^_^

Yes, remember, she won't detonate the bombs unless the Agent allows it. She wants to do it with you, but if you don't want to blow up the civilians and leave her to decide, she doesn't do it, but she stops the robots from working. Even so, what I think Kaliyo likes about the agent, male or female, is that she isn't always in control, like she feels it's someone she couldn't manipulate even if she tried, and in a way, I think that is what attracts her most to the Agent and made her feelings become all the more genuine.

I think I should strongly clarify something here. Maybe people don't remember the scene or otherwise. Kaliyo never said she was never interested in women. She referred to the fact that if she were to get into a relationship with your character(whom is female and NOT the agent) she would play head games with you, which she says that's all she seems good for when it comes to women. And she won't, because she actually likes you. So she's saving you from a relationship with her where she would take advantage of how you feel, in order to get you to do what she wants you to do or behave a way she wants you to behave. NOW... does that mean Kaliyo isn't into women romantically? No. It means that from her history with women when she is romantically involved she winds up only using them and hurting them. The game actually provides proof of this if you play through the IA storyline. Because as a character I mentioned earlier, Ona Querit, her rival. The woman she seduced and then ran away with and brought her into this lifestyle, but eventually wound up hurting her and leaving her behind so that she cried for a month, before taking up on the Bounty Hunting business and hunting her down. "Menace" is who Kaliyo is referencing. You can take that as her being remorseful or her being understanding of herself. She doesn't say she's not been romantically with women nor that she doesn't, what she's saying is that sooner or later they turn into her playing head games with them, which in turn wind up with her getting what she wants from them and leaving. This is true to her character because it's very obvious she was romantically involved with Ona Querit, but what happened? She eventually wound up using her, and leaving her. She seems to be clarifying that relationships with women always wind up the same way, in some kind of head game where she hurts them. So she isn't saying she isn't interested in women, she's saying she's saving you from the trouble of a relationship with her, because they(with women) always end the same way, and she's getting 'too old' for that kind of thing. Note, if you try to flirt with her as a Male, she will approve just like she does with the female, and she'll turn you down. Kaliyo isn't turning you down because she isn't into women, she's turning you down because from past experience(Ona Querit specifically with whom she seems to have genuine remorse) that it's gonna end the same way. And because she actually likes you, she doesn't want to eventually hurt you when the romance becomes head games becomes you getting hurt. It's no different than when my friend was very interested in a girl whom was bisexual, they were close as could be, but my friend didn't date her, NOT because she wasn't interested, but because she in her own words told her "I'm a better friend than a girlfriend, trust me." because her relationships with girls always wound up going one way. Did that make her not bi-sexual? No. It meant that she didn't want to risk going down a path she was sure was gonna end with her getting used/hurt. When Kaliyo says this, she's speaking of Ona Querit, and likely other scenarios too. She also is known to do that in general, including to a man in that very storyline when your fem agent reunites with her(in KOTFE). Tayvor. If you pick the option your female agent tells Tayvor "Tell me, Tayvor. Did she come into your life, convince you you were special,(this part makes Kaliyo give a brief impish smile at how well the Agent knows her) take everything she could, and then abandon you?" To which Kaliyo responds smiling at you "You know me too well." So I'll say imo if we go by the dialogue, Kaliyo doesn't turn you down cause she isn't interested in women sexually(she turns down the male too), she's turning you down because if it became anything more, it was gonna end with her hurting you, using you, and leaving, and she likes you too much to risk putting you through it. As I said earlier, when it comes to women, I think Menace is the reason for this, because of how that turned out, and that stopped Kaliyo from pursuing romance with another woman again, because she didn't want another "Menace" to be created because of her. That doesn't place her above getting with women sexually or using them, nor does it ean she isn't attracted to women. It means that she feels she'll be more reliable to you(The Outlander) as a friend than as a girlfriend, cause as a girlfriend it's gonna end one way. The only person she'd likely break that for, is the Imperial Agent. Why do I say that? Because she turns down any character that's NOT the Imperial Agent she has history with male or female. Remember what she turns down, she turns down the chance to have drinks, share secrets, get to know each other 'deeper', because of what it could lead to. HOWEVER... if you are the female Imperial Agent, she shows jealousy in you finding SCORPIO before her, she'll react sarcastically to you taking so long to find her. Even teasing you about it. She will start to mention in the apartment beforehand her feelings of you, after you being gone for 5 years where she thought you were dead before stopping herself and 're-Kaliyo'ing herself. "You come back to life, after everything I... (sighs and looks down and gathers herself) after five years.." the emotion she shows, and is animated on her face and emote there is probably the most honest moment Kaliyo has had. On top of that there's the moment she tells you, as her motivation for wanting to blow the thingup, "We had something special...and they ruined it." and the fact she only wants to do it with you and only will do it if you allow her. Speaks volumes about the person she was vs the person she's becoming. And on top of all that SHE is the one that takes you somewhere private to 'have drinks and share stories...' in the same bar scene later, which is the very thing she denies every other person that isn't her agent. The fact that she turns down everyone else, but is the one OFFERING to your agent (yes even if she's female) that is something of note. Once more the only person it seems she feels close enough that she could ever 'break' that assumption for, is the Agent, and even the female Agent it seems, but it would be a very slow burn to convince her that you won't be another "Menace." which is a compelling story in and of itself, because it would mean she actually does care about that now. Unless she doesn't like you, then she'll use you all the same lol I thought I'd clarify that a bit when it came to Kaliyo Sorry if I repeated myself a lot, I haven't slept in the last 2 days X_X

I know that I agreed with your entire point, but I wanted to comment on this statement about Kaliyo. Which I've seen a lot of in general. So this isn't a reply to your overall point (which I agree with) just the statement in general about Kaliyo that I quoted/hear a lot. Kaliyo it is strongly implied to have been in a romantic relationship with Ona Querit before running away. Don't forget Ona Querit was so broken hearted when she abandoned her that she cried for a month. That's heartbreak. Not to mention Kaliyo was the one that seduced her and brought her into the lifestyle before running away as she always did. So it seems that Kaliyo did have a "far closer than friends" relationship with Menace but she ran away as was her MO, and the broken hearted girl then learned to do the things Kaliyo did and became stronger and eventually a bounty hunter. It's one of the reasons I'd love for Ona Querit to be a new companion if they were looking for an additional Romanceable option in the future, because I find her story very intriguing and I'd love to have Kalyo's rival on my side as one character while dealing with Kaliyo on the other, it would be very interesting. Nonetheless whenever someone goes on about Kaliyo never having been romantically interested in a girl, it was very clear that Ona Querit was hers, perhaps what became of her is why Kaliyo tries to avoid such things now considering the last time she did she broke a girl's heart and she wound up turning her into a bounty hunter, a lifestyle she deep down didn't want for her. So you could look into that as to why Kaliyo avoid's such relationships now, and from a narrative sense that would make perfect sense. Just wanted to bring that up ^_^

If we're talking about new companions to do such with, I'll go out on a limb and say Thana Vesh and Mia Hawkins would be my obvious picks. However one of the most intriguing ones imo that I'd want the most would be Ona Querit aka "Menace" Kaliyo's rival Bounty Hunter, as well as former best friend and love interest. If you've forgotten about her here you go http://swtor.wikia.com/wiki/Ona_Querit All things considered I would love to be able to have Ona as my companion, as well as a romanceable option for my fem Bounty Hunter. I always use Ona as the example when people say Kaliyo says she doesn't like women for romanctic reasons, because it's very heavily implied that Kaliyo and Ona were a romantic couple, but Kaliyo ran away, as she always did. So I'd like my Bounty Hunter to have a chance hehe Besides, Ona has all the makings of an AWESOME companion character imo. Especially given the backstory with her family, Kaliyo and everything else.

Kaliyo was romantically involved with Ona whom is a female. But she ran away, as she always did.

Fixed I would agree with that, experiencing the freedom with her emotions that she once had to surpress can lead to many truths she didn't allow herself to feel or acknowledge due to the restrictive nature of the Jedi and 'feelings'. Agreed, she is very much so talking about a woman in terms of love she is capable of giving. Therefore there's no reason imo she shouldn't be a romanceable option for a female character as well, it wouldn't break her lore, and seeing her again there should be the dialogue options to pursue such. 100% agreed there. I very much can see this being the case as well, kind of like Jack in the Mass Effect series. As she grows more into understanding herself, and her feelings for the player she commits to them, but it's really ONLY for the player to get that close to her in such a way. Kaliyo could very much be the same way. She honestly could address it the way Jack does with her 'attracted to you but not looking for love, too many issues" etc perspective, but eventually come around as you grow closer. It would make her harder to romance but possible, more so about how much she grows to care about/love you. Not like we haven't seen BioWare do similar. Agreed, I could see Mako as well, but only for her Champion, and to be honest Mako is probably one of the ones I wanted to romance the most on my Bounty Hunter. It just fit, and I couldn't put it into words. But yes, it most definitely would be something she only felt for the main character's bounty hunter and if any other woman tried they'd fail. Yes, you make a very good point there, there's a strong chance gender may not likely matter all things considered in his case. Quinn seems the type to do whatever is necessary to get ahead or play whatever role he needed to play.

I've seen the topic covered when the new patches come out, and it's always a discussion when returning companions should be given the option to be same sexed romanced. What I hear as a counter argument to this usually comes in one of three forms. 1) Their characters are already established so 'turning' them bi-sexual would be against their character and make no sense. 2) Not every OG companion should have a same sex option as that's not how it works in the real world.(Often citing Mass Effect and Dragon Age as examples as they have a dose of both) 3) Indifference My response to this however is that the argument that all of the OG Companions were "all established as not being bi-sexual/lesbian" is leaving out one important detail. The truth of the matter is, they were all written during a time when the people creating TOR had no intentions of even having same sex romances as options in the game, so when you have that mentality from the get go, that is the nature of how the characters were created. They weren't created with that option in mind, and to me, that is a very big point that people have left out of that side of the argument. ============================ They weren't created with the same mentality that went into Mass Effect of even Dragon Age where BIOWARE had a plan and went "These characters will be bi-sexual/gay/lesbian and these characters will be straight, and then wrote the rest accordingly. They were created with the mentality that there wasn't going to be any Same-Sex stuff period in the game, so it never even entered into the equation of implementing or not implementing it into the character personalities in terms of romance. It was straightforward. Pun intended. Because even back then, we remember when at the time Community Manager Sean Dahlberg was going around closing threads, and verbally saying both out loud, and within anything LGBT related "These are terms that do not exist in Star Wars. Thread closed." ============================ What this means to me was that the game was not initially approached with anything LGBT related or in mind at all. Unlike Mass Effect and Dragon Age, it never entered into the equations whether or not the OG Companions would/could be bi-sexual/gay as it related to romance of the main character because even if they were it was never considered as an option. So because it was considered that it would never be an option during development, it never came into the equation whether or not they could viably be romanced by the same sex, as the game was not created from the standpoint of even having this in mind. ============================ However times changed, the community rebelled, and Bioware had to apologize. But it cannot be denied, that in the original game's design at some point in TOR's original development it was decided that same-sex romances wasn't in line with the universe, because the 'terms' didn't exist. So it never entered the equation as far as if any companion was, or was not, in terms of romantic options. This is a big point. ============================ So bearing that in mind let's fast forward to now. The reason I bring up that little fact is because those that say "The OG Companions were already written as straight with no compromise." to me, has more to do with how they entered into their early development of the game that same sex was a no, for the overall scheme of the game so it never came up as a character romance option, and the most they intended it would appear would be as a throwaway trait(the situation with Kaliyo for example). Because of this, I don't believe that the OG Companions ever got a chance when it came to character development, for it to be decided whether or not it was viable storywise that they could be romanced by the same gender. They never got the chance to be written with that as an option in mind where a developer could go "Yes that fits his/her character/personality" and "No, that doesn't fit his/her character/personality." The more recent creations were written with that in mind, which is why we got the companions we have now with that in mind. However I think that it would be very viable to go back and look at the OG Companions we had upon launch and ask ourselves or at least analyze/give our opinions on which of them, if the option for same sex had been available back then, would have been, and/or should be in the future, capable of being same/sex romanced. ============================ Therefore, I'd like to open up a discussion on the OG Companion characters. Which do you all feel could be written as bi-sexual or gay viably, and which do you think should be romanceable options for same sex? And why? Obviously it can't be all of them, but you only have to comment on the characters you're familiar with, but I think it's good to get this kind of discussion going in a structured way. Instead of only putting it out there that we'd like the OG Companions to be same sex romanceable. Instead, actually start giving out names of some specifically, and give the reasons why. So let's get down to it!!! I'll mark both the Romanceable and Non-Romanceable companions for the sake of keeping things neat, but for the sake of discussion of the topic at hand, they'll all be 'Romanceable'. Don't forget, they can be pan/bi-sexual as well(such as in Vector's case where I'd personally figure gender wouldn't matter) I'll also keep track here of those whom are mentioned. I'll put numbers next to the ones that get more than one mention. ============================ Kaliyo: █ █ █ Mako: █ █ DS Jaesa: █ █ Vector: █ Akaavi Spar: █ █ Risha: █ Doc: █ Quinn: █ █ Pierce: █ Broonmark: █ ============================ OG COMPANIONS: EMPIRE: Sith Warrior: ROMANCEABLEVette Malavai Quinn Jaesa Willsaam NON-ROMANCEABLE Lieutenant Pierce Broonmark Sith Inquisitor: ROMANCEABLEKhem Val Andronikos Revel Ashara Zavros NON-ROMANCEABLE Talos Drellik Xalek Imperial Agent: ROMANCEABLEKaliyo Djannis Vector Hyllus Raina Temple NON-ROMANCEABLEDr. Eckard Lokin SCORPIO Bounty Hunter: ROMANCEABLEMako Torian Cadera NON-ROMANCEABLEBlizz Gault Rennow Skadge REPUBLIC: Jedi Knight: ROMANCEABLEKira Carsen Doc NON-ROMANCEABLET7-O1 Sgt. Fideltin Rusk Lord Scourge Jedi Consular: ROMANCEABLENadia Grell Lt. Felix Iresso NON-ROMANCEABLEQyzen Fess Tharan Cedrax Zenith Smuggler: ROMANCEABLECorso Riggs Risha Akaavi Spar NON-ROMANCEABLEBowdaar Languss Tuno Trooper: ROMANCEABLEAric Jorgan Elara Dorne NON-ROMANCEABLEM1-4X Tanno Vik Sgt. Yuun Have fun! And as always please try to keep the discussion productive ^_^

Alright stayed up the last day or so making the list up to date and even adding bars If I've missed anything please let me know. I hope you enjoy the new format. Keep updating with any of your suggestions. I will probably sift back through here after I wake up since some of you made specific types of "requests" and "suggestions" so I may add a "REQUESTS / SUGGESTIONS" Part to the front page as well so I can add your suggestions along with whom requested them Thank you all for keeping this thread going while I was repairing my computer, it means a lot

Wow glad to see this thread still alive and going Alright time for me to update the first page with the requests that are pages and pages in keep going if you feel the need to add more

March is when rated WZ's come out and penalties will be bigger for people that leave.

and by March none of this will be an issue lol

Haven't they answered the question last year about them including it into the game? More or less it seems people want more and are asking "I know we'll get companions that can go in that direction but how about my current companions and just an option altogether." That will all probably be released in the same content patch, you're basically asking them to change the scripts of the entire game for certain situations which would take a lot of time unless you wanted them to just record a female saying it and then have the NPC give the same response they'd give to a male. But you probably wouldn't want that as you'd want it to be authentic. As closely as they watch all these threads I'm guessing they are waiting to give an official statement on it and their reaction will probably be in the form of a statement since this seems an important and most talked about issue. So all I can say to all that is, be patient. Even so at this point if they answered the question you'd want more than a 2 line response.

beating an operative is as simple as knowing when to trinket and when to stun them, and put a dot on them. Can't get much simpler then that. I guarantee most Operatives will trinket the moment you stun them because they want to kill you as fast as possible, use this to your advantage. I've yet to lose to an operative when I have my trinket up, most operatives out of stealth don't have a clue what the heck they are doing so I could care less their buffs or nerfs, I'll s till beat them anyway. Good operatives are more of a challenge, but most can't seem to get beyond "You no die in my opener? What do I do!!!! Oh vanish! Crap im dotted..!! NOOO I DIE!!!"