Yeah looks like Bastion is dead too. Are they considering merging the servers at all? If the game servers are this dead...what is the point of subbing? According to one of the websites I googled, even Harbinger is low pop. Is it worth transfering there? Why won't they just condense the servers more?

The reason they missed is in your OP: EA

Do they even have enough devs to field an expansion at this point? What will an expansion entail anyways? Finally fix Illum? (paying for original content is a great move on EAs part) 2 more warzones? 2 more raids? 2 more planets that you visit the same way every character you level through it? I'd much rather see a developing game company, outside the confines of a megacrap publisher handle the reins of an expansion. Oh and if the expansion does get announced, rest assured it will have promises written all over it, but not delivered. Much like SWTOR ****** graphics seen in videos and such, but actually not in the end user game.

I've read many times, that because of their *story elements, unless the race can speak english and is lore friendly, it will not be a playable race. *crappy

Typical envious player hating on a player that bought a collectors edition

News flash. We didn't quit playing because we didn't want to pay 15 dollars a month. It's we didn't want to play for a game that has no real content, pay for a game that is linear to the core, and many other reasons that have already been beaten to death.

That's the thing. I don't want to give this company more money without actually trying out and seeing if they changed anything. Pretty much everything posted in this thread has gone ahead and convinced me otherwise. A broken sub model, where an original purchaser of the game has to pay to have full UI access, credit access, hide helmet, bank, etc all the little stuff, and all you white knights are defending your 15 bucks a month you pay to continue to have access to that. While still dishing out money for perks, or content. You're okay with paying a company for double dipping. That's cool.

Good post

Sigh. Monthly sub before the game was F2P wasn't so you had access to the UI, your bank, your characters, etc. It was for access to the servers, content updates, and customer support. Entitled to the original game I paid for. Excuse me for trying to get what I paid for? You sound like one of those people that are told to roll over, and don't question it. You just do it.

Yep I get that, but this is about all the little things. Anyways I am done arguing about it. I made my statement in the OP, if Bioware changes anything I will come check it out. Until then. Peace to you guys. Enjoy what game you have left.

Sigh, hence the whole nickle and diming part.

That's the thing though. They can charge us returning players for the new content, just like they would do for the subs. Except subs get CC handouts for being subs. LOTRO has the perfect pay to play model.

Invalid. They're offering you access to their servers free already. That is the whole FREE TO PLAY model. I am not free to play player. I bought their game unlike their future players.

I'm ok with that. There are plenty of other options out there and as TOR slowly sinks down to a game that EA will be unwilling to support, I will embrace you in the next "big" thing.

hmmm, no I don't expect full subscriber "benefits". I expect a playable game to entice me to come back and subscribe for future content.