How can i prove anything if i don't have EA/Bioware reports. We'll see in the future if they're doing things for profit, or are they just trying to overexploit us.

Im not ignoring anything. What you're saying is that games like lol aren't MMOs, it doesn't have to have thousands of people standing in one spot to be called an MMO. Guild wars did thing differently, and it paid off, they made money off of it. And now Guild wars 2 will have an open world, and we'll see how it'll go. Guild wars probably hasn't had content updates because they know people are bored of their instanced versions and are concentrating more on appeasing the people pvping. Anything else is personal opinion. From one content patch we don't know if its just this time, or are they gonna be stalling patches like wow.

Its still up, isnt it? That means its making enough to be maintained. And i never said i have anything against microtransactions. If people want to spend their money on name change/server transfer or other frill, then so be it.

Guild wars, they've been operational for so many years now, not a single month of subscription. -_- Its like you're just ignoring some stuff.

First of all, im not an expert on all things guild wars does. But those other games all have different teams working on them. I'm not saying anything is free, what i am saying is that they can manage with just a subscription fee, or just by selling the game and some expansion packs.

If an mmo fails or not, it has nothing to do with the fact that it is F2P or not. It depends on how they develop it, if the don't update it, yes, it will fail. MMOs do have updates all the time, bug fixes, tweaks, but why should we pay for their mistakes? In every other genre, they have to fix the bugs for free. We don't need to throw money down the executive's throats just to hope we're given enough things. Of course guild wars doesn't get new content made, they're already making guild wars 2. They have for a while now.

Yes , the old games had reason to charge so much, they had to struggle with upkeep. And to that other guy, Guild Wars 2 is gonna be open world, we'll see what'll happen then. The reason you don't know of a subscription based only MMOs is because WoW set the trend to charge everything, and people are finnaly getting tired of that, and following Guild Wars to the future, where they don't force you to pay for everything. ( ) Check out the video i've linked several times, it really is an eye opener.

Is the content you're given in wow really worth 360 $? Was wrath of the lich king worth 400 dollars? Sure, you might say raiding made it better. But thats because you played with friends. We don't need to overpay this, just look at the video, the server costs for NCsoft are 4 million (per month i think) for all their MMOs, they don't need to charge for everything. But they will as long as the people pay. Also, mr hutt guy who called me a troll, GW wasn't a subscription based mmo, it was buy to play, and it sold enough games and is still making enough money that the servers are still online.

Check the video i linked The cost for upkeep is a lot smaller these days, the cost per person is under a dollar per month. And is the content given between major expansions really worth 180 dollars a year? In wow, they just release a new raid and then let you play it for 6 months or more. They're just exploiting you for money.

My point is that if it is a subscription based game, the expansion shouldn't cost additional money.

Guild Wars only charged people for the massive content they put out. And frill.

Sorry for not being clear enough, i'm pretty bad at explaining. My point is that if the game has a subscription, you should have access to all the content, even the expansion packs. That explains it pretty well. If SWTOR will follow WoW's way of charging for everything, i'll stop subscribing :/

I would like to ask if this game will be a real subscription based MMO, where you only have to pay 15 bucks a month, and then you have access to ALL the content, or are they going to follow the abomination that is WoW, who are litterally taking money every way they can?

I'm gonna occupy the **** out of swtor tomorrow.