You weren't the only one who spotted him exploiting the VS door. He did this in my game too. I believe he is a former MDN player from the best pvp imp guild there, not 100% sure on that though. I was fighitng around the front of it, eyes on the door a long time, then the door has a bomb on it, and he walks out of the wall/door. Sigh.

Okay, here is my general rules of thumb when it comes to Kolto Pack. Bear in mind, this only applies for the next 10 or so days. After that, it will be used on CD pretty much (2.0 gives it a 9 sec cd). Just my opinons, im sure everyones got thier own: It is our highest HPS heal (even better with the pve set bonus if its still around, as i dont pve very often) bar none. It is heavy on our resources. 1.) Use it when you have close to full energy, and 3 stacks of UH, always. 2.) Useful when UWM has been interupted, or when you are anticipating an interupt on UWM cast it instead. If they let it go, it still does great healing, so its a win/win. 3.) When DPS spec'd, its a great heal, as most don't take the cast time reduction to UWM. 4.) When a target is being focused, spamming UWM -> KP repeated ad nauseam is the best burst single target healing in the game i have seen. It will kill your resources though, so be mindful of doing it without cool head being up. And in some situations, keeping someone alive is more important than resources. I believe the last point i made is why KP is changed in 2.0. We have the best HoT healing, as well as the best burst healing atm.

Thats it, you can do it! Don't contest any points of my arguement at all, because you can't. You just keep argueing symantics, your bound to prove your point that way! I also find it funny you argee with me, but don't want to admit it. you said yourself, "We take a scoundrel when we can't find a shadow". LOL. Scoundrels are second class citizens right now, you know it, i know it, everyone knows it. Keep on truckin though, buddy. As to the original point, 2.0 changes in scoundrels, it's too early too tell either way if they will compete and mix it up with the best. Alot of us hope so.

And the above posters point is you can have more effect in total, not just for less effort, in pyro/assault than scrapper will. Full stop. Ever. Viable is when RWZ teams have trouble deciding between say a scoundrel scrapper and a gaurdian/sentinal/vangaurd/shadow/gunslinger. Atm, there is no discussion. The best teams, putting together their best chance to win, will take almost any other dps (cept commando maybe) before a scoundrel. Viable is when they do take that scoundrel. Sure, you can have some fun in WZ's, pump out some good damge, have a lot of fun ninja'ing off nodes. But from a best of the best perspective, they fall short, everyone knows this. This has alot to do with the fact that in almost any situation, a DPS shadow is better. Better survivabilty, better DPS, better utility, better at gaurding nodes and ninja'ing.

Hey man, good to see you decided to come join us after all. To all the other Bastionite's, <Core> is pretty much the team to beat from APAC atm. While the Elite guys are still working on alot of things and learning team cohesion, <Core> have been doing this for a long time, with a larger player base, and will definately bring a challenge and stiff competition to the server. Looking forward to the ranked games!

Thats the thing. More often than not, its a good 4 man against a good 4 man. Warzones have more competition in general. There isn't just 1 guild on 1 side smashing every other poor team, they are more closely contested. Thats fine Obiray, or Obiraysbrother. If they go there then thats what they decide, im not that fussed either way, although i never say no to more aussies on the bastion. I'm just providing some info so people can make an informed decision.

Just some more food for thought: If you are talking about the absolute best of the best team compositions, you may be right in assuming that will happen only over the weekend, on our saturdays and sundays. Howver, there are almost always very competitive teams queing at our prime time from the US guys on weeknights too. Synergy is very competitive and are basically on 24/7, and usally most every night ask us to put a team together if we can. The MVP guys are on very late on most weeknights too, and we have games against them also in our AU primetime. But lets be honest, do you really want to continue to play against the same level of competition that ended up being all that was left on MDN? Lets not kid ourselves here. The pugs were freaking awful. One premade from certain guilds in normal warzones and the game was a steam roll everytime. I dont find that very fun, on either side. There were 2 very strong teams left, we know who they were, and the others were in the next tiers below, of varying competativeness. On the Bastion all of those teams left on MDN will find appropriate and similar levels of competetion to push them. Same goes for any PvP guilds from Dalborra. Also, from chatting to a few GM leader's on Bastion, they say that <Don't Panic> and <Strictly Bussiness> have been just as competative as those two teams previously mentioned. Lately in ranked it's a coin toss as to who wins from the 4 main guilds. That is some very healthy competition at the top levels, which would really suit the best APAC pvp guilds. I understand that this is not the only consideration when picking your destination server. Presh bought up a few other good points, and there are other factors too, like the "APAC community". I just believe that any pvp guild or player going anywhere but the Bastion will end up regretting it in the long run. Lots of people have been posting what they feel or believe is how the bastion works, and i am only trying to present the on the ground facts from a guild already playing there. Now as to spilting the legacys; If you read Mr Eric Musco's last post carefully, he tells us that we will be able to spilt our legacys! We will be given 1 time transfers to our choice of destination server. So if you are on MDN, transfer what you want to go to The Harbringer. Then, when they merge the servers at the end, PvP servers will merge with pvp servers. So, just leave any toons you want to go to the Bastion on MDN till they do that. Fellows from Dalborra just do the opposite.

Thanks for the info guys. In the end all i want is for every guild to make an informed decision on where to go. Alot of people are stating things in discussions that simply aren't true and just opinion or distorted/mis-interperted fact. Hopefully this will clear things up.

Yep. Fair enough. For the record: I have played 16 ranked games, with 7 wins and 9 losses in the last 3 weeks, all against the better yankie teams. We aren't getting alot of RWZ pops on weeknights, although that is more to do with our guild, not other peoples. Snyergy has alot on all the time, and most weeknights around 9-10pm melbourne time they have been asking for rated games. If you talk to guild leaders on the server, they are happy to organize games whenever as they are on mostly 24/7. As i type just now, we are about to que up against MVP in a no smash no bubblestun game. (12:30am thurs night/fri morning) Just wanted to post it here for anybodys curiousity.

Oh, sigh. 6 core members for our rated team is not 6 active players. Troll will be troll. Running along now, adults are talking. No more food for you.

Thats fair enough to not be called an APAC guild. We haven't been on MDN for a fair while now. However, we are almost all APAC located players as a guild and hence, do count towards these discussions as it gives other guilds/players people from the same time zone to play with/against. Weather or not they want to is their own decision, but i believe it is more than justified and fair that we be listed here for others to know about and be included in these talks. For the record, as someone mentioned, once MVP got geared, they had a positive record to the best of my knowledge, including against SS from Harbs. I can understand people wanting a higher population and hence favouring Harbringer. In my mind, if you are a serious pvper, and want to play the best team(possibly best teams plural, as a few others are very good) in rateds, there is only one choice. The Bastion. If you want to call yourself the best, then play the best on the bastion and prove it. Just my opinion. For the record, alot of members from <The Elite> have leveled two of the same class, (1 MDN 1 Bastion), so in cases like that the duplicate is going to the harbringer, but, as it stands atm, we still intend on keeping The Bastion as our home. The RWZ scene is alive and with healthy competition. Normal WZ pops are never ending. Proxii, be good to see you in on Bastion, if your looking for a home, look us up.

Just a few things: 1.) The PTS as mentioned is not stable, and my ping was about 150ms worse going from the bastion (180ms ping) to the PTS (3330-350ms ping). 2.) Off topic but Ryere i am curious as too how MVP did on the PTS. How did you guys go, and how do you feel the bastion rated's scene skill wise is compared to the other top guilds on the other servers? 3.) <The Elite> is recruiting APAC players looking for a new home! Feel free to come join us republic side on The Bastion for the double XP weekends and have some fun in anticipation of transfers!!

I really wish people would try the other server out before posting opinion paraded as fact like this. I understand people are upset, in some respects they have more than a right to be. But statements like this simply aren't true. I play from Melbourne, and even at 11pm Melb time on weekdays, i still get GF que pops, although it does get quieter around then. But pops still happen. GF pops all the time anytime during the weekend. WZ's pops are never ending, anytime, day or night, any day of the week. That is better than any aussie server just there, not even mentioning it has a thriving RWZ community compared to the APAC servers too. No complaints about ques at all, maybe you should try it out yourself. Edit: P.S.: <The Elite> are recruiting on the Bastion repub side, come join us for double xp weekends and see for yourself guys!!

A few people mentioned 90% of pop, or majority of the pop, the reality is, even if those numbers were true (which i doubt), they are an insignifcant number to sustain an MMO. In most peoples hearts i think they know this. That is all i will say on the matter and wont get dragged into discussion or negativity on the decision thats been made. Now, for some positive news!! <The Elite> have been mixing it up on The Bastion for a while now. We are recruiting all (well, almost all lol) Aussie players coming across to the republic side! We have a rated team, are mixing it up with the best on the server, and coming out with a few wins already, and only really have 6 core players. I suggest all those thinking of trying The Bastion out, make a low level alt and level up a bit with us over double XP weekends, it's alot of fun! We have a number of people looking to raid as well, but not enough to get it started, hopefully this might change in the near future! A few quick points: - The lag isn't that bad, we still top damge/healing/protection all over the place, only place we notice it is in hutball trying to pick the ball up from the middle. - We have a bunch of people online every night, more than 2 dozen some nights, even though we only have a core of 6 or so, we have a bunch more 50's and lowbies leveling up to join us. All those wanting to join us, please send a tell to Stavross, Stavroz, Valsy, Thoros-of'myr, Zimas, Thrashgash, Spooned, Spoonable, Athiya, or Mah'jong. Alternativly, you can do a shout out in the pub fleet, someone is usually there!

I am laughing my absolute *ss off at all the rage in this thread. I was going to type out all my thoughts about everything, but then realized its pretty much pointless, and i'm just going to continue to laugh. Btw, <The Elite> is currently recruiting all good PvPer's for rateds on the Bastion.