Last one I promise ... @ Ramza, look again, what about the one doing 248k ?

Good point, about feeding the Troll, will stop it or he will get fat !!

@ Ramza , As I said already I will happy to post the next 10 if I believed it would do any good. In respect of 'soso' played as normal, as would be expected for valor 61 in BM & Cent against other 50's with similar gear. Not great but not bad either, infact I would say pretty balanced.

@ Ramza in my screenshot, which I am sure u have looked at the melee dps there is a Marauder. Maybe you should concentrate on getting your own skills to match that rather than spending all your time QQ'ing with incorrect facts.

No matter how many WZ shots are posted it won't make any difference to the biased arguments presented here. http://i.imgur.com/nd1Zr.jpg But just for effect for the 3rd time ... Whats the problem ?

Please see screenshot as posted above, all posts QQing after it are irrelevant, as stated previously whats the problem ? http://i.imgur.com/nd1Zr.jpg Would you like me to post my next 10 WZ as well ? if your not 50 + with valor 50 + dont even bother responding, its not the same game. So shall I post the next 10 WZ ? The sad thing is even if I did the same stupid arguments would be made..

I also notice no one decided to print screenshots of their next WZ , well I have so here it is. If anyone doubts the date/times I can post that as well. So whats the problem ? http://imgur.com/f2jtS Also notice the number of deaths as well as the rest. Think this should be the end of this thread as this is typical, sure there are exceptions but I could post the next 10 WZ and it would be similar..

How can I bubble 'back to back' when on 17 second cooldown ? I have just done 2 WZ, can post the results if u want, they were just random normal ones. All lvl 50 players obv, want to see ? Fact is no sorc/cons was top damage or kills on either, and loads of different classes. Anyone can post an ' screenshot ' to prove anything , post the next 3 WZ matches now and then lets see. I will do same...

Bubble with talents has a 17 second cooldown and absorbs apx 3.5k , dont undrestand what the issue is, its 2 BH/Trooper hits, 1 melee crit 1 normal, that does not seem OP to me at all.

Rank 61 Valor Sorc, play a LOT of PVP, always have. The big numbers are from AOE, if I want to be top damage I can, means I kill nothing much, just looks good. My max burst record is 3.2k, normaly 2.5 - 2.8k I cannot heal effectively as I am dps spec. The only way I get any healing numbers is when I run away and heal myself, I don't even try to heal otherwise, the cast is too long. Op's were nerfed as they could do 10K + damage in one rotation, the top OP's hit on me was 8.2k... My max burst is much different as above. If you discount AOE , which is fluff damage to be honest as a healer can heal through it very easily its nothing special.

For all those saying two faction PVP does not work, well we all knew that it was 2 faction before we started playing so where's the surprise ? Have little lag in ilum, get my daily and weekly done, the only thing missing in constant pvp with objectives to make people PVP on a constant basis. There are often 2-4 Ops groups fighting, allthough Reps ( like most servers ) are outnumbered, but they are sneaky and hit from behind, fly out etc.. Its no where near perfect, but its definately playable and fun. Next thing has to be constant pvp and objectives like DAOC/WAR and I will be happy.

Why are people still argueing , reposted .. @ Teyng, thanks for the info below ; Total stats for Battlemaster Eliminator set Aim: 858 Endurance: 910 Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 Expertise: 602 Total stats for Rakata Eliminator set Aim: 1059 19% higher than BM Endurance: 1157 22% higher than BM Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 So without expertise people in PVE gear would have a 19% higher main stat and more end, thats why expertise is in, without it PVE gear would dominate WZ. Its your choice what to wear, I see people in PVE gear and PVP gear to get a mix of both options. They seem to get best overall results as well. Everyone can choose what they wear, what they do, so if u want to PVE your gear is fine as it is, if you want to PVP its fine as it is ... Why should I have to do PVE to be competitive in PVP ? , without expertise I have no choice unless all sets are exactly the same. This should close this issue once and for all, PVE & PVP Gear can both do fine , I have not seen any rational argument that could disagree with the above, so whats the problem ?

@ Teyng, thanks for the info below ; Total stats for Battlemaster Eliminator set Aim: 858 Endurance: 910 Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 Expertise: 602 Total stats for Rakata Eliminator set Aim: 1059 19% higher than BM Endurance: 1157 22% higher than BM Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 So without expertise people in PVE gear would have a 19% higher main stat and more end, thats why expertise is in, without it PVE gear would dominate WZ. Its your choice what to wear, I see people in PVE gear and PVP gear to get a mix of both options. They seem to get best overall results as well. Everyone can choose what they wear, what they do, so if u want to PVE your gear is fine as it is, if you want to PVP its fine as it is ... Why should I have to do PVE to be competitive in PVP ? , without expertise I have no choice unless all sets are exactly the same. This should close this issue once and for all, PVE & PVP Gear can both do fine , I have not seen any rational argument that could disagree with the above, so whats the problem ?

Yeah annoying as hell

Expertise gives about a 10-12% difference at most. Has anyone actually taken full set of PVE Tier 1 gear and listed the stats and then a full set of PVP Tier 1 and listed the stats. Try it you will notice something..