TBH all the people whining about the whining need to back down The entire problem was that the initial patch notes weren't clear and led people to believe that you couldn't get champ tokens until you could open BM bags (ie rank 60). Gabe has cleared that up which goes a LONG way to placating most people's fears. People were right to be vocal about it. It was an oversight to not mention the champ tokens in champ bags. It, however, was an honest mistake and now people should be a lot happier with the incoming changes. Peace out

Just wanted to agree with most people about dumping Centurion gear. The damage is done now - just let champion bags give champion tokens and BM bags give BM tokens. Bump the number of tokens to 8 or 9. Gives a far more reliable way to grind out Champion gear. It will still take new players a few weeks of hard fought pvp to get solid champ sets, but it's much better than the kick in the face you're suggesting. Alternative suggestion: buff t1 pvp gear to be closer to t2's stats so that it's only about 3-5% lower. That would possibly be simpler thinking about it.

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I very much want SWTOR to succeed. However, its (probably) forced early release is only going to damage it. Any rational player will understand that it's not a case of flicking a few switches and "game fixed", but the current MMO community expects better, especially from such a reputable company as Bioware and the money powerhouse of EA with 5 years development. I said in another post somewhere that the game in its release state might have been acceptable 5 years ago, but if you want to attract and impress nowadays, you simply can't release a game with the amount of bugs/poor itemization/lack & ease of content that SWTOR has had. What boggles my mind is that nobody higher up the chain at Bioware/EA recognized this fact. Am I wrong? Is the MMO community actually very forgiving? I really don't think so. First impressions mean a lot. I really hope the devs get all the fixes and new content delivered quickly, or I see a mass exodus when GW2/D3/whatever next big console game comes out (that's if it hasn't already bled it's playerbase by that point). As people in other threads point out - there are some very minor problems in the game that still haven't been addressed and are not in the upcoming patch notes (rakatta weapons/typos/lack of roll system etc etc). These things could very easily be fixed in a few days maximum. Not doing so makes the community feel as though the devs aren't playing their own game and have their priorities wrong. Surely this is incorrect, they must have dozens if not hundreds of employees playing so...what the hell's going on? ><

Mostly agree with the OP. SWTOR was released in a state that isn't really acceptable in today's MMO market. Everyone is used to various luxuries from other MMO's that have had longer to become polished. There are too many bugs, bad itemization and the end content is too easy for any serious raiders, meaning they have nothing to do other than PVP (which itself suffers massively from poor faction balance and other issues). Swtor may get there, but the question is.. should it have been released before it was at that level? Has it damaged itself by doing so? I don't know.. I hope not. I will stick with swtor for now, but if it hasn't improved much by the time GW2/D3 or whatever console game I want to play, i'll be jumping ship ;/ At least for a few months

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Our server is pretty much like this - 30-40 imperials jump the 3-4 republics.. and that's just if you're lucky to find them! Picture made me laugh though