love the fact about 100 extra pages have been added to this thread since they announced their "solution" and we havent heard a single thing extra. this thread will die soon, we have all unsubbed anyways

^^ That is the best. but the rest of this is ... gay? nah, just the worst.

oh yeah, anyone legally minded that is keen to write a formal ACCC complaint template, please post below, or PM me and ill post it! I want my money back for the expansion and if i have to complain, i will idea would be for us all to submit the complaint to get it resolved, if its submitted in the same format and written properly, im sure this would be much better.

cancelled, sub ends tomorrow. to everyone thinking that we can change their mind, it took them 7 months since the start of this thread correct? it took them 2-3 months since they said "we are looking at this". as much as i hope they do, i do not see them changing their minds within 2 days. good luck, have fun, see you guys elsewhere (Steam) /K

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should have picked it up, patch times no longer come with australian times and haven't since the last downtime. thanks for wasting our time guys, it doesnt take that long to look at 3 server populations and decide "no thats not sustainable" and then wait another 4 months to tell us ur closing the servers. also, totally the wrong solution because what u didnt count on is that people would come back from american servers if they APAC ONE server was good. you would have actually had an expanding population rather then what u have now. play style doesnt mean anything to people on MDN (PVP) and RPers can RP anywhere, they will find a way and good on them. Your explanation is false. Admit its about money and you might retain some shred of credibility. but I still expect my money back for the expansion.

Having read half the posts in about the 4 threads that respond to the APAC Solution (kinda sounds like a few other "solutions" mentioned throughout history), most active posters seem to be leaving. So, having enjoyed my time on MDN and APAC TOR overall I pose the question, Where are you going next? What game? What server? New MMOs? I would imagine quite a few will look at Elder Scrolls, is it out yet? Will there be local servers and will that make a difference, i hear they have some interesting server technology? *NOTE: Organising people on our server / community to depart to another, is pretty much the best thing we can do to tell BW to get f*'d

Refund please, now, kthnxbye. You are no longer selling the expansion under the same terms and conditions that i bought it, therefore the sale ******** and seeing as i havent accessed it yet, i want my money back. should probably contact the ACCC about the last however many months ive been playing for this only for you to rip the server out and throw it in the bin.

Thank you to the organisers for putting on their second great event. After watching the first one live, our core pvpers decided that we would love to get involved, even if we weren't quite at the standard or the gear, or sometimes even able to put up a full 7 or 8. Still, we have had fun. I would also like to thank our new guys that filled in last night. I have heard that score wise they did not do so well, but they said they had fun and we will be back! My suggestions about the 2 issues, DCs and Structure. The structure has been up since the tournament was announced. If you have a problem with it (not just suggestions) then you should have made them back then. Also I would suggest that it is up to teams to monitor the forum / website to find out when their next game is, even if they think they have been eliminated, and not rely on organisers to tell them. In saying that, I'm not having a go at WL for not turning up, as i believe they honestly thought they were done. I thought the same of us until i checked. I believe that the suggestions that have been made constructively throughout this thread will be used next time, assuming the bashing of ice etc hasn't forced him to quit and give up. The disconnections is frustrating. If you look back at week one, we were late vs Core 1. This is because our main sage healer (Gunshin) who never got to play in the tournament, had and continues to have internet issues. DCs can affect every team, but most commonly it affects the same people continually. Even with BOSS last week, 3 or 4 disconnects, by different people. But i bet its not the first time those players disconnected that week or since then, or maybe even that night. The solution to this has to be on the players and the participating guild to put up players that can play the game properly. As pointed out, in any other RWZ, you will be forced to play with 7. Forcing the refs to choose who has an advantage will be obvious at some points, and at other points it will create more tension then this thread. The new rule is designed to avoid the second situation, by eliminating the first. This is completely fair. I do like the new rule (even though we are out of the tournament) as it was quite annoying restarting the same WZ a number of times. Additional to this, there are things that you would not be able to call or see as a ref. For instance, in our Hypergate against boss that got played, Sticks ended up with 20k MS ping about half way through. You can see that's why his damage was right down, and why he ended up guarding the node at the end. Also, you can hear one of the commentators saying "Oh luka is just standing there". Yep, well that's because he was in the process of disconnecting, before his internet kicked back in, and he was back in the respawn area. I have no doubt that we would have held BOSS from capping that node if both of those instances hadn't happened, which would have forced another round for Hypergate and who knows? (I'm not saying we would have won, but it would have been closer). That's pretty much my rant over. Please PM me to get our entrance fee next time we are both online Icesiss. I look forward to Season 2. Note: Any guilds that would like to organise a RWZ match in future, we are working on a PVP night for us to do RWZs and will be actively looking for matches. Obviously we are not of the highest standard (core, midian, ewok) but I would still like to play the odd match against you guys, as well as vs the other teams like Pandemic, WLs and Boss again (more so because all you guys are imps!) Please contact Kaelus on the Rep side and we will organise something. (I do not have an imperial contact as yet, working on that)

Yep, I was under the impression that the bottom team from each pool would not have a shot at winning, but more in a losing final type scenario? In this case we would play WL and that would be the last game we played. i would probably like to organise this game anyways if its not part of the finals and broadcast. As is, im more then happy to play as many games as possible against whoever. If you want to restructure so we play Core 2, great. If not, we will prepare for BOSS again, our game is on monday I believe (i cannot attend mondays and therefore we will require a new healer). I think some people are getting a bit confused and maybe you should fill in the TBD with potential match ups. The structure is fine, just a bit unfortunate that it has resulted in repeat matches as im sure the community would like to see something different. We would actually like the chance to repeat and hopefully do better tho. any eta on our game upload mate?

atm we are going to be short players again this week, with the possibility of not fielding a team. Kong is very unlikely to be here this week and I have not seen some people ingame for a week now, not to mention we had no shows last week, requiring 2 people to fill in. This week we will not be taking things too seriously so if you want to get in a game, please contact me ingame via mail with ur class / spec and I will contact u if required. More then anything I want to field a team and have fun. Apologies in advance if we fail to field a team or one not worthy of the competition, but i feel that advanced warning is the best i can do at this stage. /K

I cant be bothered reading all this, but as tinkle and obi have made everyone quite aware, we will suck? probably. this will actually be our first game fully queued as a guild (and even then there is only 7 of us). We dont have a big player base to draw from for our team, but more to the point we wanted to participate in what looked like a great event last time (we couldnt get the numbers last time). 1m creds isnt much to have a heap of fun. I dont believe bashing people on forums and ingame etc is not a good way to foster the growth of such a tournament and our server in general. personally i dont really care if u call us out, but there is more then me in my guild and obviously the WL guys took offence and perhaps rightly so. Quite of a few of us have some pug / balanced RWZ experience (many times thanks to Core), but never as a guild. We hope to do alright and will definitely be using tonight as a gauge of where we are. Good luck tonight everyone playing. /K /still looking for guardian tank for week 2 /and open recruiting for our guild as we continue to run our Ops nights and develop our RWZ team

correct obi, sarath is so noob, he isnt even subbed. aze is too far away to bring flowers, i was hoping you would be there meds to give my eulogy. Seriously tho, Tank Guards & DPS Shadows and VGs contact me for week 2 spot

I really dislike how you gave our gameplan away Meds, my constant deaths would be awesome as a scoundrel meaning i could turn up anywhere next. Also Kong is the king of deaths in our guild, he hopes to better it tomorrow. On an unrelated note: We are potentially 2 people short for week 2. We definitely require a Guardian Tank (if possible). Any Shadow or VG dps spec, please send me a tell or mail and we may have a spot for you also, this is unconfirmed yet. Keep it up Meds & Swash.

definitely agree, if you can cycle targets based on who is the most important person, or who you are talking about would be great. Target of target might also help for this. Also this might help you in your reviews if you are watching this back later.