50 Madness or Deception Assassin I did both PVP and PVE, wasthe guild leader of Willrow's Flavors on Hyperspace Cannon before the server went belly up. Full rakata, if its good anymore, and warhero PVP armor. Looking for a laid back raiding/Ops guild that does a bit of PVP. Look me up in Game, Kyalia or post here.

Um, you have to be in melee range for lacerate. with overload its an instant cast AoE... So... say you don't have force speed up, you have to walk all the way up to melee range, hit lacerate, or you can just get close and hit overload. Both are instant, one is quasi ranged and costs less force, it also does a knock back so THEY have to walk back to the node to tag giving you more time to tab+discharge. Its an 8 sec cap timer, so even if they don't go far away on the knock back, you still have more than enough time to tab target and get a DoT on them. Lacerate is simply not worth the force cost even in the extreme situation described (4 people tagging a node, which only nubs would do instead of CCing your *** to resolve now)

Same, don't want to have to switch back and forth every day just for a minor bonus here and there that has a negligible effect on outcome Your tool tips for the lightning charge is pre-bonus I believe. And yes, it can crit.

Overload + tab target discharge is still more effective and less force intensive.

Its all theory craft until they put in combat logs. you would think at least 1 point would be beneficial and to ONLY do maul when it procs. Of course this is with a target standing still, and with a posted build that has no points in electric execution, which I would be curious how more often will you get your charge dot applied when using thrash, which is 2 physical hits over maul which is 1. Again though, that goes back to just putting 1 point in duplicity and only using maul when the talent procs.

If you are madness its pointless. its easier and more beneficial to tab+discharge people on nodes, since its only got the GCD. Sad skill that needs to be upped in damage or reduced in force cost.

There are no power/crit enhancements. Its a glaring gap in the game considering when you hit 400 artificing there are around 50-60 enhancements you can make, most of them really stupid tank variations What I have done was go the mod route. I knew the nerf was coming so I save a ton of champ tokens. Went and bought pieces with level 60 mods that are high willpower/power. Replaced my Crit ones with these, then replaced my low crit high surge enhancements with the high crit low surge to keep surge around 250-300. I can't really decide where the point to stop for surge is but its around that ranged based on the DR graphs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aqvt25BS849xdFRoSmNuY19mTXk0UkxSdXVkcE5XM2c&gid=1

Now with the surge change, anyone know exactly what the soft caps are for: Crit Surge Power I tried looking through the stickies, but they don't have this detail.

so they actually did nothing to prevent trading kills, just valor farming. Interesting.

Ok so I thought I was crazy for never using maul and using thrash with thrashing blades. Glad to know I'm crazy but not for that reason.

Um, Tab+Lightning discharge.... You are so 1.1.1 Get to 1.1.2 plz

In madness I never use it except in pve, but even then with the cost, I find it prohibitive from other skills. I use thrashing blades, and thrash more. I wish there was a combat log though so I could do some real testing instead of theory crafting.

Now that I read it though its 10% to melee bonus damage... not sure what that is, Crit? If so it may not be worth it. You know what would help? A COMBAT LOG

Really long but worth the read. I am seeing more and more posts like this so I have hope for this game and community. I think the "snowflakes" are pissed they don't have participation trophies so they are bolting. I say good riddance and go back to Hello Kitty's Big Adventure or whatever it is that gives you warm and fuzzies for sucking.

I like to lump the people that quit already in with those instant satisfaction folks the good 'ol USA likes to turn out these days. You know the type. They got participation trophies for sucking at t-ball. They got to retake tests in school until the passed instead of being allowed to fail. Mom and daddy got them what ever they wanted, so they didn't have to get a job when they were 15 to buy their own car and so forth. The opulent generation that's all grown up and still has their hands out and mouths open. I really feel sorry for any younger women. Their men won't try hard enough to help them reach climax since it easier to just get their kicks and quit. So they quit an MMO when a few things are screwed up. We are 2 months in. TWO. Things take some time to iron out. You have an RPG team trying to do an MMO and having way too many people to appease. If you lack the patience to stick it out a bit fine, your loss, and your girlfriends too.